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Jon M Brown

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  1. What if....

    George, I appreciate the reply but to be honest, I'm not sure I follow. Insofar as my hypothetical, you're saying that if Germany was knocked out early and the Western allies did then move to drive the Soviets out of Poland, then things would have not gone to plan from Stalin's point of view? Apologies if I've misunderstood.
  2. What if....

    I'm not at all a fan of "what ifs" normally but I did happen to wonder something recently that I thought might make an interesting topic. A lesser known aspect about the war was that the French (and British) had a plan for a large scale attack on Germany once hostilities began. And in fact they did move large numbers to the border and in some cases across the border in what is known as "The Saar Offensive". Now obviously it was not carried out in such a way to make a difference. But some top German officers said after the war that had they indeed acted as they planned, the German army could have collapsed within just a couple of weeks! So that brings me to the what if... Germany invades Poland but so do the Soviets don't forget. But this time the French and British do carry out their plans and come across the border in force (40 divisions) and Germany does collapse. But now what? Are the western allies now content to restore half of Poland to their democratic government? Could Germany (without Hitler) now be a part of a coalition to force the Russians out of Poland? Would there have been a large scale second world war in Europe at all? Or would it have taken on a much different look with the main goal being the restoration of Poland? Again, I'm not normally a fan of this sort of thing. But this is something that I can at least see happening (unlike "what if the USA had been an axis nation-for example). And I thought it might make for some interesting discussion.
  3. Why Nazis Lost the War

    while this is an interesting topic, I have to say that in my personal opinion there are a dozen reasons why the Nazis lost the war but too many guards at POW camps is not one of them. People often like to ask "what if" but my favorite is this; What would have happened if the Allies had confronted the Germans immediately after the invasion of Poland? People often like to say that the Allies "did nothing" but that's not actually true. Although they did not do enough and they certainly did nothing decisive, In the Saar Offensive (which never actually fully took place) the French moved 30 divisions to the border and across the border in some areas, occupying 12 towns and villages to a depth of about 8km. It's a part of history that is forgotten but it interests me to wonder what might have happened had that offensive been pressed in full strength, according to the initial plan. General Alfred Jodl later said that the only reason why the German military did not collapse in 1939 was that the British and French divisions were completely inactive. Another German general Siegfried Westpahl, said that had the French attacked in force in September (of 1939) the German army could only have "held out for one or two weeks". Now THAT is an interesting possibility! And if that HAD happened and the German's were defeated, what would the Russians have done??? Imagine that! A second world war but this one with the German's knocked out early and the Allies fighting to get the Russians out of Poland!
  4. V For victory salute

    I did see that movie George but that is not where I first heard that. I've been trying to recall but it's just not coming back to me. Hopefully someone here will have some info.
  5. V For victory salute

    I can't be relied upon as a good source with this. However I did read or hear something once that when he (Churchill) initially came up with it and did so as in the picture (palm facing inward) someone suggested to him that it looked too much like the middle finger salute and so he changed it. But again, I don't know if that's true at all because I can't remember where I saw/heard that.
  6. I got 15/20 and I'm quite pleased with that! That was quite difficult and in all honesty, I must admit I guessed at 2 or 3 that I got right. One of the questions I guessed right was the one about who volunteered to be imprisoned at Auschwitch. I had a feeling it was going to be a Polish person. I had heard some amazing stories about their bravery.
  7. My top 6 films

    Wow...great topic, here are some off the top of my head... 1. Patton 2. The Great Escape 3. Band of Brothers (not a film but Joris listed it, so can I) 4. Torra Torra Torra 5. A Bridge Too Far 6. The Bridge on the River Kwai
  8. Dunkirk

    Well I guess I'm putting myself at the front of the room for the class to throw things at here lol. But I really, REALLY did not like this film at all. It's been a while since I've seen it now, as I think I went around Christmas time and it's now the end of March. But my complaints were quite numerous, not the least of which was the film seemed to want to go out of it's way to paint soldiers as dumb and pretty mean spirited. The two examples that stand out to me were the French "infiltrator" and that group taking refuge in the boat. I mean come on, these guys spend how many hours/days together and NO ONE notices that this one guy NEVER speaks one word???? And I don't know about anyone else, but those would have to have been about the worst trained soldiers ever to have gone into that boat without any way to monitor what was happening around them, or posting a look out. I didn't think the film did a very good job of building up to the big moment. I think some stirring scenes of the fleet being put together could have helped. Again, it's been too long since I've seen it but I really didn't like it at all.
  9. "Churchill" (2017)

    I too was pretty disappointed with that film and for many of the same reasons. I am certain that Churchill in the depths of his heart was deeply worried about the consequences of a failed landing, that only makes sense. But to focus on that doesn't make much sense to me.
  10. What was the most important tank of World War II?

    I am really torn between the Sherman and the T-34. The question is which is the most "important" meaning (imo) which most influenced the outcome of the war? And to me that has to be the T-34. Some have correctly pointed out that the Sherman was the better tank (between it and the T-34) and that is often forgotten. But Soviet Russia's ability to mass formations of T-34's was absolutely critical to their turning the tide and then swarming and pushing the German's into perpetual retreat. The German's had some excellent designs but the engineering was ahead of their ability to produce reliable machines. The Tiger is an excellent example. This tank essentially had the same engine as a Panther, despite the fact it was more than 10 tonnes heavier! Even had the Panther and Tiger (and King Tiger) preformed well, there would never have been enough of them to overcome the massive numerical deficit.
  11. Introductions

    William, yes I have indeed thank you! My grandfather on my dad's side lost his leg but it was due to diabetes and he died when I was very young, 6 or 7 I think. But as fate would have it, I was born with a large AVM (aerterious venous malformation) all through my right leg. I have not had any amputations (yet) but I have had over 20 surgeries and had a knee replacement at the age of 42 in 2014, It's given me an appreciation for life that I don't think I'd have otherwise, and although I have not lost that leg I think I can relate somewhat to those who did suffer grave injuries. And that has done nothing but deepen my respect for them. I've even been known to get emotional watching certain shows/documentaries, especially about veterans. God bless them.
  12. What was the best fighter plane of WWII?

    Very good and interesting points. I've often theorized that had the French (with their superior numbers) had the boldness and swiftness of the German tactics and the Germans had more the mindset that the French actually did, things might have been completely different!
  13. What was the best fighter plane of WWII?

    George, I found reading much of that testimony fascinating, didn't you? And so do you mean that it was the fault of the allies to not recognize the true nature of the threat or did Hitler fail to understand that there must be a limit to how far he could push things? Or perhaps just a little of both? Always an interesting topic to discuss.
  14. WW1 Monument to be taken down due to cross shape????

    I couldn't agree more George. But where is the impetus for such movements in the first place? I mean, to me when you boil this down it's really a form of bigotry. Yes, modern Western civilization was founded mostly by Christians and on Christian ethics, so what's the problem? If you aren't Christian, great, no problem. But why then spend money, time and effort on coming after anything that remotely represents Christianity? And in this case in particular, this monument is PRIMARILY a war memorial and only secondarily and only through a certain perspective has anything to do with Christianity. So by that definition alone, this was clearly motivated by malice.
  15. I read recently that a WW1 monument in Maryland, U.S.A has to be taken down because it is cross shaped. A 'humanist' group filed a lawsuit complaining that since it is a government site, the cross shape violates the whole 'separation of church and state' business. I'm curious about a couple of things. First, why is this a problem now? The first thing that came to mind when I read about this was if, at the time the monument was first constructed it was a problem or even offensive to any non-Christian veterans, I would think THEY should have been the ones to object, no? Something doesn't sit right with me about people waiting 100 years and then coming up with a complaint about a monument dedicated to people who aren't here to speak for themselves. Perhaps there should be a law whereby any such complaints or objections have to be made during the planning of such things and after a certain number of years, it is considered a historical landmark, a reflection of perhaps changing values and sensitivities and must be left alone for that reason. I'm anxious to hear your opinions...especially if there are any veterans here.
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