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Joe Rich

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  1. Joe Rich

    Chemical Bombs of USA in Cambodia?

    Lindsay, "What is claimed by Cambodian Government is that these "Chemical bombs" are causing serious burns and death. I know of no such bomb used by the US since WW1. " One of the other articles attached to this one states that it is CS-2. It states that CS-2 is a stronger version of CS. The powder can cause minor burns on the skin when the powder mixes with sweet. It turns into a weak acid. It is nothing you want to breathe a lot of.
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    Pawan, when the Germans first used chemical weapons in WW 1, it was thought it was a good war weapon. Well, guess what? Since WW 1, the world learned better. That includes the US. The only use of nukes was at the very end of WW 2. That was a very special case that is discussed on another page. Since WW 2 the only time WMDs have been used is by rogue states. Let that sink in.
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    Chemical Bombs of USA in Cambodia?

    Lindsay, I think we need to define "chemical bombs". A chemical weapon (CW) is a specialized munition that uses chemicals formulated to inflict death or harm on humans. These are your blood, nerve and blister agents. Tear gas, CS, is used for policing and riot control. In most cases, CS is not lethal. I say this because that is how it is classified. US troops are exposed to a weak form of this in "tear gas chambers" in their first weeks of training. When I was stationed in the Panama Canal, we used tear gas in its powdered form for riot control training. We were briefed that it could be flammable, and toxic in the right concentrations. This was seen in the FBI's standoff Waco Texas a few years ago. This being said, the US did use tear gas in Vietnam. I have never seen, read or heard of chemical weapons being used in Southeast Asia. I shot tear gas out of an M-203, 40mm grenade launcher at military targets. I have heard and seen pictures of the Marines using tear gas in the battle of Hue in 1968. It makes a great smoke screen and for people who have not been exposed to it, it causes your eyes and nose to drain. It also gives them a great desire to be somewhere else. But it does not kill them. For it to turn up in Cambodia does not surprise me. If we had it, generally, I think we gave it to our allies.
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    I visit to evil

    Thanks for your post. Too bad we can't take people who deny the Holocaust happen a free trip to these campus.
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    F-86 Sabre Laid To Rest.

    Thanks for posting those pictures. Like you, the F 86 is one of my favorites. The models I have seen have a rounder canopy. So I am wondering what model we are looking at. I am glad that it saw service into the 1970s.
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    Hitlers underestimation of Russia.

    Singe, Hitler's army life can clearly be seen in how he treated his generals later. Remember that the front line troops of WW1 felt betrayed by their leadership. When you consider this, you can understand why he treated his generals the way he did. Stalin on the other hand did not let anyone threatened his grip on power. So he had a bad habit of killing people. Purging his generals in the 1930s came back on him when Hitler invaded Russia
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    What bothers me is the human tendency to second guess decsions made many years ago by people faced with very hard problems that we can't relate to. If the British thought they needed a cover reason to bomb civilians back then it's a fact of history. We can't do anything about it now.
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    Average Germans knew Nazi atrocities

    I like simple solutions. First ban all "journalist", then jam everything that you don't control.
  9. Phillip, you will get no argument from me about McArthur. I think the general of the era that summed him up the most was General Eisenhower when he said that he studied dramatics under McArthur for four years.
  10. Shaheen; If you take time to understand why things happen the way they did, you would understand why WW 2 equipment showed up in the Korean conflict. At the end of WW 2, the US wanted to forget all war and do what the US does best, enjoy peace. They gave very little thought to defense. So when the North Koreans attacked the South, the only equipment and weapons the UN had was US's surplus WW2 stuff. Not that this was bad equipment. It was just that there was plenty of. I remember the two times I landed at Kimpo Airport in Korea, in 1971 and 1980. Both times there was an American half-track with a four barrel .50 cal machine gun in the middle of the runways.
  11. McArthur suggested that, on arrival, they "just weren't trying hard enough". I have no doubt the asshole Dugout Doug said that. He is far from my favorite US general of the era. I have no doubt that we rubbed the Australians wrong. McArthur sure would not have made matters better. I have read about the Australians fight the Japanese in New Guinea. They have nothing at all the be ashamed of. It was a hard fought and both sides did the best they could. I have done combat patrols in jungle mountains. There is nothing easy about it, and we had helicopters for support. When I get a little more experience on this site, I just might start something on McArthur. There are two camps over here. He walked on water, or he was a low life creature that should have been left in the Philippines.
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    Average Germans knew Nazi atrocities

    Ron, I am surprised to hear that someone in England sees the issue the same way some of us in the US do. By today's standards, slavery should be wiped from the face of the earth. But we still find it around the globe. That to me is one of today's biggest scandals. Getting back on topic, I find it impossible for the average German to have not known about what was going on in the camps. Just the scale of it would have had to be seen. Where I was stationed in Germany, there were a few camps in the area. One was a rock quarry. The locals had to have known what was going on. Besides, soldiers can't keep their mouths shut. So the average soldier would have been talking about it. But then the real question is What could they do about what was going on in the camps? I don't like the liberalism I see in my country, besides complain, what more can I do? Hitler's Germany you could not even complain without ending up in one of the camps.
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    Average Germans knew Nazi atrocities

    Hans, I am going to have to jump in this conversation. Germans thought Russians were a sub-human race. So they thought it would be OK murder them. The Russians returned the favor when their time came. The Poles had an issue with Germans. So that explains that. Now, "Native Americans", first contrary to modern day thinking, there is no such thing. Those people came to America either over a land bridge from Asia, or on boats from the Pacific or Atlantic. It was common practice for Indian tribes to conquer, murder, enslave and steal land from other tribes. That is how in fact the tribes grew in power. To them, rape, torture, and slavery was just the way to do business. Why people think the settlers from Europe was worse, I still can not figure out. The settlers were just more advanced, organized, and plentiful. That is the only difference.
  14. Phillip, of course, I agree with you on this. Even Churchill mentioned that England only had a few years before America would call all the shots. England gave the world many things. I hate to see that the world has refused to see it. I once talked to a lady from India. she said the only thing the English ever did for her country created a fine school system. But we both know better than that. I am studying the war. I am awed at the courage of the British, both civilians and military. I see where the US gets it. With all the immigration going on today, I hope we don't lose it.
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    Hans, I don't see how any moral person can be happy with mass bombings, especially civilian targets. But they were a fact in WW 2. This can not be changed. I was owed when I visited the church in Nuremberg. It was a beautiful place. It looked like it had been around for centuries. Then I went inside. There were photos of what the area looked like when "we" got through with it at the end of the war. I had a lot of respect for the Germans after that. Naturally, I would have loved to see the original. But the reconstructed area to me was a sight to behold. Remember, that city has been around longer than my country has. The only thing I have close to the age are native American burial mounds 50 miles from my hometown. Now it is just a big pile of dirt. I see no reason why Dresden did not get rebuilt. From what I saw in 1990 was that the West Germans had rebuilt most of the country.