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1 hour ago, Ron Walker said:

But merely because their predictions might be wrong... stage theory - the suggestion that all societies evolve along similar lines, passing through a series of stages in the same sequence as they develop, is hard to disagree with. Which is probably why it's so popular with genuine historians.

And, I presume, in order to find out if a historian is genuine, all one needs to know if he or she employs Marx's stage theory. That's a solid criterion, I suppose.

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2 hours ago, CharlesHouston said:

Ron - you know that the rest of us here are talking about the Middle East, while you have wandered into IndoChina?

Curious... I thought you started talking about how an American president had reacted to Anglo French military Action. How previous presidents had reacted to similar situations a mere decade earlier strikes me as outstandingly relevant. Had you forgotten?

I've come across ex-servicemen who were belatedly trying to get an education being HORRIFIED to discover that the study of history almost inevitably involves understanding Marx's historical analysis before. Problem with that is it was Marx who created some of the vital vocabulary. Words like "Capitalism", for example. HIstory is more than just memorising a few dates, and battles. It's largely about how society works and how it changes. If you don't understand what Mercantilism is... then clearly there's a massive swathe of history you're missing. (Hint: it's the bit between Feudalism and Capitalism, when MONEY (and who controls it) starts becoming increasingly important) My opinion? ALso the "opinion" of the History faculty of pretty much every university in the world.

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2 hours ago, Ron Walker said:

It's largely about how society works and how it changes. 

So, the guy who - by your own admission - could not make his predictions work... who could not even make his own life work...so, that guy REALLY KNEW "how society works and how it changes". In fact, marxism is the self-proclaimed scientific pinnacle of history and economics. There's only one problem - scientific method requires empirical evidence for a theory to work, and all the evidence out there shows the exact opposite.

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9 hours ago, George Collins said:

So, the guy who - by your own admission - could not make his predictions work... who could not even make his own life work...so, that guy REALLY KNEW "how society works and how it changes". In fact, marxism is the self-proclaimed scientific pinnacle of history and economics. There's only one problem - scientific method requires empirical evidence for a theory to work, and all the evidence out there shows the exact opposite.

*****BREAKING NEWS******
George, it seems to have escaped your gimlet-like attention that.... HISTORY IS ABOUT THINGS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST. When Marx wrote about how Society changed - IN THE PAST - he's pretty damned good. When he tried to extrapolate that pattern into the future, he failed. He predicted, for example, not only that Capitalism would fail, but would fail in specific countries (Britain, Germany and the USA) first. Writing as a journalist, Marx was utterly dismissive of Russia as an economic power.  Which later created quite an obstacle for Lenin, who claimed that under HIS leadership, Russia would move forward from a developmental point between Feudalism and Mercantilism directly to Socialism without passing through Capitalism, in direct contradiction to what Marx claimed.to be both inevitable.and unavoidable.Looks like Marx was right... and Lenin was wrong.

For years, I have attended a monthly gathering in Bristol known as the "Science Cafe", where an invited speaker (usually from one of Bristol's two excellent universities) addresses the "gang" for about an hour about the subject they're working on, and then there's an hour or so for questions, Topics covered have ranged from the change in population pattern of garden birds to particle physics. My own observation of several years of these talks is that the discoveries being described - almost inevitably - derive from improved instrumentation, In my own field ("physiological psychology") we were forever coming to a point where we didn't - couldn't - know how a physiological mechanism worked, because the quantities involved in the process we so incredibly small that there was no way to measure them.. The invention, or improvment of a

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1 hour ago, Ron Walker said:

When Marx wrote about how Society changed - IN THE PAST - he's pretty damned good. 

Yes, Ron, this is quite obviously your opinion and you’re sticking to it; no breaking news here - agreed, sarcasm notwithstanding. 

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