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War Cry in Colour – By Mark McConville and Michael D. Carroll

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 This is of dubious historicity. The War office had taken the Scottish regiments out of kilts in action in 1940. It is alleged that the last infantry use was by 4th Cameron Highlanders at Huchenneville during Battle of the Somme (1940) on the retreat to St.Valéry-en-Caux. Clearly a propaganda picture if taken in 1941. It could however have been taken earlier. There is a picture of the last Charge in the Highlanders Museum, Fort George, Highland, Scotland.

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Maybe the experts in British kit can date what he is wearing? That could give some clues. 

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I actually checked in the museum (as I was closing the room at the end of the day yesterday) it was 1st Camerons not 4th. it was on the retreat through Belgium. However I think that there is a similar claim made by the Gordons. The story is that the War Office decided that Kilts were not suitable wear for a mechanised army to wear. Why this was not accepted earlier as in WW1 there were cases of people contracting Gangrene from the abrasion of wet, muddy/ frozen kilts on the back of their legs (one of our treasured artifacts is a kilt still covered in the mud of Flanders

The War Office had also allegedly spend some time in trying to supply gas proof underwear (mustard gas) which was pink in colour as the Highland Regiments wore nothing under the Kilt. (Still don't on parade, hence the famous picture of the 2IC Argyle and Sutherlands exhibiting his crown jewels sitting beside the Queen.)

The 1 Camerons / a Gordon's Battalion held up the order,/ held a mock funeral. thus still had Kilts after 10th May 1940.


 Actually as the point of the collection of pictures was that they had been hand coloured and the kilt is simply filled in black it would be of little help. Any way by 1941 the kilt was no longer worn in battle. though of course not was worn ceremonially though of you look at the 51st victory parade in Bremerhaven where the Band are in Kilts and the odd officer is in a Kilt but the jocks are in trousers.

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Great info, never knew all that! 

There is a famous picture from the battle of Arnhem where an officer wears his kilt (into battle), this is in September 1944. 

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A patrol, led by Capt Ogilvie of the Glider Pilot Regiment who landed in his kilt, about to set out in a jeep into Arnhem.

This picture was taken on the Utrechtseweg and you are looking towards Oosterbeek, still a long way from Arnhem.

 

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Thank  you for this. There is the of course the story of Bill Milin (a Canadian) who piped Lord Lovat ashore at D Day. He wore a Cameron Kilt which is in Dawlish Museum along with his pipes.(HIs book Piper Bill is a good read if you can get it). If y9ou look carefully, behind the Telegraph pole there is another character in a Kilt with a sten gun.  don't recognise the Tartan (Ogilvie is wearing the Gordon's Tartan). I'll the the picture into the Museum and we might be able to recognise it. I can't think of a military tartan with a lithe check like that one, but I know people who can even recognise medal ribbons in Black and White.
 Some of the Lovat Scouts became part of the 11th Camerons after the war, and there is a room dedicated to the Lovat Scouts in the Highlanders Museum. Apart from a short time as a TA officer in the Scouts, Lord Lovat was actually commissioned into the Scots Guards.

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I read a interview with Bill and he was asked how he felt about pipeing them in on D Day and he replied 'I would have rathered had a f**g rifle'    (warning maybe anecdotal) 

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9 hours ago, Chris Harrison said:

I read a interview with Bill and he was asked how he felt about pipeing them in on D Day and he replied 'I would have rathered had a f**g rifle'    (warning maybe anecdotal) 

Great story! 

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