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RE: What if America Had Been Conquered By The Germans in WWII? By Christian Oord

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"At the beginning of December 1941, Hitler’s troops besieged Leningrad and Nazi reconnaissance units scouted the terrain a mere 12 miles from Moscow’s city center. At the same time, large tracts of Northern Africa were in the hands of the Germans. Furthermore, most of Europe was under the Nazi jackboot. Only the United Kingdom and her Empire stood in the Führer’s way. Adolf Hitler was at the pinnacle of his hegemonic power. Apparently, nothing could stand in his way and the Nazi world domination was no longer a mere nightmare, but a reality that threatened to take hold. And true to his word, Hitler declared war on the United States of America four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 11, 1941. A world at war had begun in earnest, but it would prove to be Nazi Germany’s downfall less than four years later."

In my opinion, this is a skewed view of the situation by December 1941. At the beginning of December, Wehrmacht was already barely hanging on to its lines at Moscow, having missed the chance to take the city by advancing via a gash in RKKA defensive position at Mozhaisk at the end of October. Any meaningful attempts to take Leningrad had been abandoned a month earlier, when panzer divisions were redeployed to Moscow theater. About this very time, Reich Minister for Armaments Fritz Todt reportedly told Hitler that the war was lost in military and economic terms. In this context, Hitler's declaration of war against the US looks insane, unless in his mind it would incentivise the Japanese to resume hosilities against RKKA in Far East and force Stalin to fight on 2 fronts. Of course, the Japanese would not bite, and it was all downhill for Hitler from there.  

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5 hours ago, George Collins said:

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"At the beginning of December 1941, Hitler’s troops besieged Leningrad and Nazi reconnaissance units scouted the terrain a mere 12 miles from Moscow’s city center. At the same time, large tracts of Northern Africa were in the hands of the Germans. Furthermore, most of Europe was under the Nazi jackboot. Only the United Kingdom and her Empire stood in the Führer’s way. Adolf Hitler was at the pinnacle of his hegemonic power. Apparently, nothing could stand in his way and the Nazi world domination was no longer a mere nightmare, but a reality that threatened to take hold. And true to his word, Hitler declared war on the United States of America four days after the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 11, 1941. A world at war had begun in earnest, but it would prove to be Nazi Germany’s downfall less than four years later."

In my opinion, this is a skewed view of the situation by December 1941. At the beginning of December, Wehrmacht was already barely hanging on to its lines at Moscow, having missed the chance to take the city by advancing via a gash in RKKA defensive position at Mozhaisk at the end of October. Any meaningful attempts to take Leningrad had been abandoned a month earlier, when panzer divisions were redeployed to Moscow theater. About this very time, Reich Minister for Armaments Fritz Todt reportedly told Hitler that the war was lost in military and economic terms. In this context, Hitler's declaration of war against the US looks insane, unless in his mind it would incentivise the Japanese to resume hosilities against RKKA in Far East and force Stalin to fight on 2 fronts. Of course, the Japanese would not bite, and it was all downhill for Hitler from there.  

Mind you. It certainly didn't seem so at the time. While the writing on the wall may have seemed apparant in 1941, the Axis forces continued to render hard blows and continued to gain ground until the Autumn of 1942.

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1 hour ago, Philip Whitehouse said:

Mind you. It certainly didn't seem so at the time. While the writing on the wall may have seemed apparant in 1941, the Axis forces continued to render hard blows and continued to gain ground until the Autumn of 1942.

Sure, but we now know what most people at the time did not. Also, "gaining ground" is probably not the best way to describe it - they certainly kept taking advantage of RKKA General Staff's incompetence until Stalin would finally appoint Vasilevsky at its head. But Wehrmacht could not possibly win the war of attrition, and - as Dr. Todt realized in December 1941 - this is exactly where they found themselves in.

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